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Re: Leaderless Group Dynamics
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: I am familiar with leaderless group dynamics. Most of our paddles
: operate under this model. That is fine with me. Where our
: community runs into problems is with the implementation of
: "everyone has responsibility AND no one has
: responsibility". Logically, it cannot work both ways unless
: you define specific responsibilities and the thresholds at which
: point no one becomes responsible for them. This definition
: process would need to happen in advance and everyone must
: understand and agree. Your posting gives several good examples
: of responsibilities and expectations.

Practically, I think it would require a leader to make sure responsibilities get defined. The group is leaderless, so it is unlikely a leader will step forward to enforce the responsibilities, or people who step up as leaders may be resented. I was in a group a few weeks ago where I tried to enable some group communications and got shot down. While I think the paddle was better for my efforts, I don't think everyone in the group wanted my efforts and I didn't enjoy being reprimanded.

What I tried to suggest with my examples is, if you are joining a group with expectations of what the group will provide, you may be disappointed unless you are willing to provide the exact same thing to the group. If you want the benefits of a group, you must stick with the group, keep an eye on all members of the group and be prepared to help in exactly the way you want help. If you fail to communicate with the group, fail to pay attention to other group members, and act generally as a client instead of as a member, the group dynamics will fall apart and you will be paddling solo. Which is exactly what you were trying to avoid by joining the group.

If as a member of a leaderless group, you understand the dynamics of a leaderless group, those dynamics become self enforcing. This does require practice as it may not be natural to pause to look behind you once every minute or two, or moderate your pace as some fall behind and work harder when you find yourself in back, but others in the group will respond positively and you will get the benefit you wanted when you decided to paddle with the group.

BTW, I am not saying this system is the best, or even any good at all. I am just saying, this is the way it is in reality. A system with an acknowledged leader who everyone responds to positively, is certainly "safer". But this is not likely to happen in a informal club situation. First, no club member wants to spend their free time herding cats, and most club members don't want to be ordered around on their free time.

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